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	<title>Comments on: The Sunday Salon: The Political Powers of Fiction and Nonfiction</title>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jodie: That&#039;s a good point about Animal Farm -- the book isn&#039;t subtle at all, and it was written at a time when that sort of simplicity was accepted. I can&#039;t really think of any good allegories today that would make an accurate comparison, although that might just be because it&#039;s early in the morning and my brain isn&#039;t awake yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jodie: That&#8217;s a good point about Animal Farm &#8212; the book isn&#8217;t subtle at all, and it was written at a time when that sort of simplicity was accepted. I can&#8217;t really think of any good allegories today that would make an accurate comparison, although that might just be because it&#8217;s early in the morning and my brain isn&#8217;t awake yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Jodie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jodie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kim that&#039;s hard to answer, but in the case of Animal Farm I don&#039;t think it would, filtering it through the literary history we now have some people already dismiss it as a simple, rather preachy allegory and I think it&#039;d get deffed off by critics who like to think of themselves as complex because Snowball is so bad, nothing redeems him. 

I actually saw a review of &#039;An Elergy for Easterly&#039; (short story collection about Zimbabwe)this weekend that said in one of the stories even Robert Mugabee is slightly redeemed (paraphrase) like that was a good thing, like it would have been a failing of the authors if she&#039;d painted him only as the evil dictator (which she does in many other stories). I&#039;ve read the collection and I don&#039;t agree with that assessment, but imagine what that type of reviewer would make of pure evil Snowball now.

I so don&#039;t want to go back to the days of white and black characters, but I do think character complexity weakens what a politician can make of a novel&#039;s political message, how they can use them, or that at least that&#039;s how politicians will probably perceive it. Happily complexity strengthens a book&#039;s core message for general readers and allows other, more subtle messages to come out about the nature of humanity which hopefully brings us all to understand each other a bit better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim that&#8217;s hard to answer, but in the case of Animal Farm I don&#8217;t think it would, filtering it through the literary history we now have some people already dismiss it as a simple, rather preachy allegory and I think it&#8217;d get deffed off by critics who like to think of themselves as complex because Snowball is so bad, nothing redeems him. </p>
<p>I actually saw a review of &#8216;An Elergy for Easterly&#8217; (short story collection about Zimbabwe)this weekend that said in one of the stories even Robert Mugabee is slightly redeemed (paraphrase) like that was a good thing, like it would have been a failing of the authors if she&#8217;d painted him only as the evil dictator (which she does in many other stories). I&#8217;ve read the collection and I don&#8217;t agree with that assessment, but imagine what that type of reviewer would make of pure evil Snowball now.</p>
<p>I so don&#8217;t want to go back to the days of white and black characters, but I do think character complexity weakens what a politician can make of a novel&#8217;s political message, how they can use them, or that at least that&#8217;s how politicians will probably perceive it. Happily complexity strengthens a book&#8217;s core message for general readers and allows other, more subtle messages to come out about the nature of humanity which hopefully brings us all to understand each other a bit better.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeanne: If only Harry Potter had been about politics and social change! Like I said to Nymeth, most books that do reach that level just don&#039;t have it. Which is too bad -- I think people could be persuaded to care if given books that had the chance of convincing them about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeanne: If only Harry Potter had been about politics and social change! Like I said to Nymeth, most books that do reach that level just don&#8217;t have it. Which is too bad &#8212; I think people could be persuaded to care if given books that had the chance of convincing them about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nymeth: Such a good point. Society is so spread out, it&#039;s hard for a book to reach a million people. And the ones that do don&#039;t seem to take on the issues in a way that can promote social change. At some level, fiction does have power in the sense of showing what an experience is like, but the reach is a lot smaller.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nymeth: Such a good point. Society is so spread out, it&#8217;s hard for a book to reach a million people. And the ones that do don&#8217;t seem to take on the issues in a way that can promote social change. At some level, fiction does have power in the sense of showing what an experience is like, but the reach is a lot smaller.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andi: Yeah, the whole prove it thing is pretty pervasive. I&#039;m not a big &quot;issues&quot; in fiction person, but that&#039;s because it tends to focus on small issues. I like fiction that deals with broader issues, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andi: Yeah, the whole prove it thing is pretty pervasive. I&#8217;m not a big &#8220;issues&#8221; in fiction person, but that&#8217;s because it tends to focus on small issues. I like fiction that deals with broader issues, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jodie: What about books like &lt;i&gt;1984&lt;/i&gt; or &lt;i&gt;Animal Farm&lt;/i&gt;? Do you think those books, which are pretty critical pieces, wouldn&#039;t have the same impact today as they did when first published?

It is interesting the way nonfiction is taking the things fiction usually has -- characters, good versus evil, narratives -- and using them to make nonfiction more powerful or emotionally resonant. 

I love your last point: &quot;Fiction now tends to inspire the personal political actions of an individual, or small groups.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jodie: What about books like <i>1984</i> or <i>Animal Farm</i>? Do you think those books, which are pretty critical pieces, wouldn&#8217;t have the same impact today as they did when first published?</p>
<p>It is interesting the way nonfiction is taking the things fiction usually has &#8212; characters, good versus evil, narratives &#8212; and using them to make nonfiction more powerful or emotionally resonant. </p>
<p>I love your last point: &#8220;Fiction now tends to inspire the personal political actions of an individual, or small groups.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christine: It&#039;s interesting that you equate experiencing a place with fiction, versus nonfiction on the topic. I see the distinction though, as fiction storytelling tends to do place, images, what it feels like to be there more than straight nonfiction might. The memoir you mentioned sounds fascinating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christine: It&#8217;s interesting that you equate experiencing a place with fiction, versus nonfiction on the topic. I see the distinction though, as fiction storytelling tends to do place, images, what it feels like to be there more than straight nonfiction might. The memoir you mentioned sounds fascinating.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 22:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are still satires like Christopher Buckley&#039;s Boomsday that can have the same kind of propagandistic effect Uncle Tom&#039;s Cabin did in its day, but Nymeth is right; they don&#039;t reach as many people.  I&#039;m not sure that it&#039;s not possible to reach that many people again, though.  Look at all the lessons that kids have learned from Harry Potter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are still satires like Christopher Buckley&#8217;s Boomsday that can have the same kind of propagandistic effect Uncle Tom&#8217;s Cabin did in its day, but Nymeth is right; they don&#8217;t reach as many people.  I&#8217;m not sure that it&#8217;s not possible to reach that many people again, though.  Look at all the lessons that kids have learned from Harry Potter.</p>
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		<title>By: Nymeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nymeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 22:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Jodie that a novel that tried to push a point too overtly would probably come across as too didactic for today&#039;s taste. Another thing is - even though I do think novels can be an effective way to change attitudes towards a cause or group of people, and in that sense CAN be weapons of social change, it&#039;s difficult for any one novel today to have the impact Uncle Tom&#039;s Cabin did, simply because there are SO many of them. It&#039;s pretty rare for any one book to reach a very large audience. So while I think change is still happening, and that novels still have political power, it&#039;s all happening on a smaller scale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Jodie that a novel that tried to push a point too overtly would probably come across as too didactic for today&#8217;s taste. Another thing is &#8211; even though I do think novels can be an effective way to change attitudes towards a cause or group of people, and in that sense CAN be weapons of social change, it&#8217;s difficult for any one novel today to have the impact Uncle Tom&#8217;s Cabin did, simply because there are SO many of them. It&#8217;s pretty rare for any one book to reach a very large audience. So while I think change is still happening, and that novels still have political power, it&#8217;s all happening on a smaller scale.</p>
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		<title>By: Andi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>America is such a &quot;prove it to me&quot; pragmatic society these days that I think fiction has lost its political clout for the most part.  This is not true for me personally, as I enjoy fiction dealing with &quot;issues&quot; very much, but in the larger sense, I think it&#039;s necessary for the public to be fed documented proof. I see this with my students on a regular basis--a documented fact goes much further than a telling allegory, for instance. They see fiction as fake and that&#039;s the end of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>America is such a &#8220;prove it to me&#8221; pragmatic society these days that I think fiction has lost its political clout for the most part.  This is not true for me personally, as I enjoy fiction dealing with &#8220;issues&#8221; very much, but in the larger sense, I think it&#8217;s necessary for the public to be fed documented proof. I see this with my students on a regular basis&#8211;a documented fact goes much further than a telling allegory, for instance. They see fiction as fake and that&#8217;s the end of it.</p>
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